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Fergie's Weakness?

Time To Buy, Sir.

Central Midfield.

Sir Alex Ferguson inherited Bryan Robson and had Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt and Philip Neville come through the ranks. He of course bought Roy Keane from Nottingham Forest but as the old guard have moved on or retired he has has tried replacing them with Juan Sebastian Veron, Eric Djemba-Djema, Kleberson, Liam Miller (all failures) and now finds himself with Anderson, Michael Carrick, Darren Fletcher, Darron Gibson and young Tom Cleverley. He uses Ryan Giggs, Phil Jones, Ji-sung Park and even Wayne Rooney on occasions, but playing people out of position rarely solves a problem.

Ferguson claims he doesn't need to strengthen, but I'm sure even the most loyal Manchester United fan would agree that now Scholes has gone, none of the current crop can be regarded as top quality central midfielders (although Fletcher has been close in previous seasons and Cleverley could be in the future). Never was this more obvious than on Wednesday night, as Yohan Cabaye and Cheik Tiote won the midfield battle with ease and - along with Demba Ba - inspired a frighteningly comfortable win for Newcastle.

That United have continued to win trophies in recent years is testament to the great man and the quality he has assembled in other areas of his squad(s), but surely the time has come for Fergie to bite the bullet. Despite just passing his 70th birthday he believes he has 3 more seasons in him, so if he wants to ensure he can combat the force that is Manchester City and realise his dream of winning a third Champions League title, he must spend on one, possibly two quality midfield players to improve the team (with a Scholes replacement the key) - if not in January then this summer. It doesn't have to be mega-money, but there will be deals available (remember Scott Parker cost Tottenham just £6millon and Tiote came to Newcastle for less than £4million).

What say you United fans? Do you agree that things need improving? And if so, who would you want the club to go for?

(Please don't say Luka Modric.)

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Give the youngsters a chance

As a loyal Manhester United fan, I do admit we seem a bit short in the central midfield area right now. But I don’t think two big signings is the answer.

Cleverly is showing enough quality to give the impression he could be a repalcement for Scholes in the long term. Early days I know, but bringing a big name in will stunt his development.
Likewise Anderson, before injury, was having one of his best seasons in a United shirt and his partnership with Cleverly looked good. He is also still young.
We also have players like Pogba and Morrison coming up through the reserves who look like special talents.
Carrick has been back to his best and is more than good enough to play in the short term. Jones can also deputise ably.
Fletcher was a big loss and, if anything, a combatitive midfielder would be what we might need short term- someone like Tiote.

But it is a transitional time and the youngsters need to be given a chance.

by Good On Paper on Jan 6, 2012 4:27 AM PST reply actions  

Hi mate – you replied while I was updating my post (I had forgotten Cleverley due to his time out with injury!).

I understand your points, but what if the youth doesn’t end up as good as predicted? And how long can United wait for potential to be realised? By the time it happens City could be long gone so I feel bringing in at least one established name now would really help them.

by Nik Argiropoulos on Jan 6, 2012 4:40 AM PST up reply actions  

lacking

im a utd fan and dont like knocking my team but anybody can see that we need cm.carrick is not good enough even at his best.giggs passing is getting worse with every game.and anderson just has never cut it.fletcher is the best of the lot but he is in a lot of trouble now and will be a massive loss.united have just not replaced roy keane.cleverly looks good but is getting a lot of injuries now and do we really have to rely on him.
fergie is not helping himself though.against blackburn his team was absolute madness
1) carrick a cm playing cb
2) rafael a rb playing cm
3)valencia a rm playing rb
4)wellback a cf playing lw
this is madness.he makes 1 sub at ht with anderson in and moves all 4 players into their natural position.what is wrong with starting pogba cm and leave everybody in their natural position.and lets not forget rooney cm.madness.how long before rooney starts in goal at this rate.
im just wondering if there is no money there and he is deliberately doing this to prove he needs the money and to force the glaziers to give him some cash

by mightymac05 on Jan 6, 2012 6:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree!

I think bringing in one top class midfileder in jan would give us a good boost to finish strong this season.
But I think we need a tackler rather than a creative player. Keane was replaced by Fletcher to a certain extent (albeit a downgrade) but now he is out long term, we’ve nobody in that role (Tiote, Parker, Song, Romeu, De Jong etc).

The point about City being long gone – I think we have to accept that it will happen anyway. We can’t compete with their money so we have to, to a certain extent, rely on developing youth. Cleverly looked like he was coming good, until the injury, so he should be given ample opportunity.

But it would be great to buy in a proven experienced player to go alongside him right now.

by Good On Paper on Jan 6, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

+1 for mentioning Pogba!

I’ve not seen Morrison but Paul P could be the second coming!

Put them in with Fletch and Cleverly and you’ve got a good combo.

by mikebirty on Jan 6, 2012 6:13 AM PST up reply actions  

United need to get some good talent

Schweinsteiger, Derossi or Inler as a defensive hold and Kroos, Gotze or Hamsik in an attacking mould.

Insight Fantasy EPL

by Rohit0110 on Jan 6, 2012 4:43 AM PST reply actions  

Sneijder

He was the obvious option this summer, now that Inter are having a bad season snatch him or forever regret!!!

DDG/Verm/Brown/Clark/Silva/Bale/A.Johnson/Valencia/Aguero/K2/Rooney

by dolarich on Jan 6, 2012 4:59 AM PST reply actions  

Problem with Sneijder is

that he doesn’t match Fergie’s “buy young” policy. Although he does match my policy of “buy good players”

by mikebirty on Jan 6, 2012 6:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Spurs (under Daniel Levy) had this policy for many years, with the club refusing to spend money/offer contracts unless it was on young players who offered resale value. Redknapp managed to get his way and the result has been Gallas, Parker & Friedel, 3 players who have vastly improved the first team.

by Nik Argiropoulos on Jan 6, 2012 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Sneijder wasn't it

I don’t necessarily agree with buying young all the time – Spurs have got it about right by augmenting their developing young players with experience in key areas – but Sneijder just wasn’t right.
He seems injury prone for a start.
His wages are more on City’s level than ours.
And I don’t think he pulls it out when his team is in trouble.

We need a leader more than anything I think. We’re missing Vidic as much for his captaincy as his defensive ability.

by Good On Paper on Jan 6, 2012 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Ganso Henrique

How about the Santos playmaker. He seems to be a great passer of the ball and I feel is closer of a mold to Scholes.

But if I were Fergie, I’d get one central defender for a few reason. One, Vidic is out till next season and 2, Rio is getting old and really need to someone who can replace Rio in the coming season. A good defence is a good offence. They have the Strikers, and when healthy I feel the midfield is good enough to supply to the strikers and wingers. But the defence is what wins championship, and if your defence is leaking goals left center, and right, how can you even defend a lead.

by Denniswong23 on Jan 6, 2012 5:08 AM PST reply actions  

ganso is not a good choice

ganso is too slow to keep up with fast attackers. he does not know how to tackle and will not defend. his coach at santos said that attacking players do not have to defend. ganso is a train wreck in the locker room. ganso is not that great a player. he is worse than ibrahimovic in the lockerroom.
lucas from sao paulo would be the best option because he is so similar to kaka with deft quick dribbling, always looking to pass, enters the box at the right time to score goals, scores gamewinners and has a deadly shot. he can come back and get the ball, all of this he does at a really quick pace. the coach on the brasilian national team finally realized the ganso is not the answer and has been putting hernanes of lazio.
i do not want sir alex to get lucas because i am an arsenal fan, so lets hope wenger buys the next kaka

by gregandtonic on Jan 6, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed with this. Ganso isn’t the answer, its lucas or Hernanes.

by OVOxo on Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

hernanes

i had not thought about hernanes for manure, he is the closest brasilian to schweinsteiger. his ability to make last second tackles is great, plus he is on of the best passers on the planet and his long range shooting is valuable. i am falling more in love everytime i watch him play for lazio

by gregandtonic on Jan 6, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

The LC Man Utd Review! :-)

I think Man Utd need at least 3 players covering each position.
Im happy with the Lindegaard and De Gea for keeper.

It may have gone un-noticed when Utd got beat by Blackburn but the last goal which Hanley scored didnt have anyone marking him!

Anyway. Man Utd need 1 defender, 1 Midfielder and 1 striker.
Vidic is becoming injury prone. Ferdinand is an oldie, and Evans is ok but is sometimes rash.
Maybe go for an older defender who is playing at the top of their game so they will be cheaper. (Like Chelsea with a bargain 7m for Cahill)

Midfielder – Carrick, even before Utd bought him off Tottenham i thought he was wank. Ferguson has said he is a revelation in the last few matches. What he really means is he is actually passing forward. I dont think Schneider would be an ideal signing for 1 because of his age and 2 because he will be big bucks.
Man Utd desperately lack a leader. Maybe a Lassana Diarra. I dont like him either but he is vocal and willing to get stuck in and COULD have the potential to be another Keano. If Fifa 12 is anything to go by then Schweinsteiger could be in the pipeline!

Striker – Man Utd need someone like a fast Van Nistelrooy. If we get one, he would compliment Hernandez or Welbeck.
Berbatov is ok playing against weakened teams, but in games which we need to win, i dont think Utd can afford to play him. I know he is super skillful, but he looks lazy and sulks a hell of alot. Rooney i think will be going Madrid in summer (Flashbacks in performance of Ronaldo the season before he went to Madrid.)
Hernandez and Welbeck can stay. I would love Rooney to stay but cant see it, but as for another goalscorer maybe someone like De Jong off Twente.

My rant is over now. Ashley Young will be a key factor in this second half of the season.

LC

by The_LC on Jan 6, 2012 6:26 AM PST reply actions  

disappointed man u fan

this is the first time in 21 years supporting the club that ive become quite worried with our options in midfield. not letting recent performances bias my judgement but looking at their overall performance, carrick and gibson have been somewhat of a failed experiment, it gets worst when you could compare the awareness that scholes had on the field (albeit his breathtaking – in a bad way – tackles) to that of carrick and gibbo. in all fairness, they are not BAD players, but i cant say that theyre good enough to play for a side like man utd. man utd to city are what arsenal were to united not long ago, refusal to compete financially in the market for world class players and at the same time hoping wenger’s economic model flourishes will hurt us bad.

having said that, i see promise in cleverly, and ive seen a couple of ravel morrison’s games as well and these two are possibly the brightest young players at the moment (not ignoring oxlade chamberlain and a few other young gunners) but to wait for them to become the players we hope them to be is like entering a race with the barca’s the real’s and the city’s on a wheelchair becoz one important part of your body has yet to develop.

i want sneijder in to link with the attacking force, and possibly a defensive midfielder to cover our ageing centre backs (and evans lol)

p/s the game against newcastle reminded me of the game against barca, we were outplayed becoz the opposition had a better mid

by 207 on Jan 6, 2012 7:11 AM PST reply actions  

SIGHHHHHHHHHH

as a devoted Man Utd fan…all this talk just reminds me of arsenal fans woes over the past couple seasons of wenger being stubborn and not going out and getting CB and CM and see where that got them..no trophies in how many years…..

by Papa_Bear on Jan 6, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

i agree about most of you,guys..

i`m Man Utd supporters since 1992 (6 years old at that time)..
SAF said he want top world class player..if they are available,he`ll sign that player..so,maybe he just reallize that he cant only rely on youth everytime..especially when the current situation happened (injuries,out of form)..
i didnt know whether i`m the only man utd fan who thought this..but guys..what about David Beckham? i know, most of you will not agree with this name..maybe for the reason of he`s getting older..not as good as his peak time..but, at least a bit younger than Giggsy..if Giggsy can play a midfield (from left wing)..why not Becks? his pass,his free kick.. it will give man uts some benefit..sign him on-loan..for two month..it will be a win-win situation..other man utd player can learn from his experience & Beckham will maintain his fitness for Olympics Games (if he decided to stay with LA Galaxy)..he is free agent now..rolling contract can be the best choice..
But i think its SAF some kind of Ego..if he think Giggsy still can play for another year..so do Beckham..

So,the others name that i thought ….Jan Vorthegen(defender)..Mohammadou Diarra (midfield)..

i`m wondering if SAF can read all of our comment or suggestion.. if there is a medium which will react as a pipeline to him, that we can send it to SAF..thats only IF..if it become true or reality..i`m very happy…because all man utd fans love their team.. =)

GGMU..!!!

by Ahmad Malaysia on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 AM PST reply actions  

please fergie keep on going

with the same path, burying your head in the sand and not buying a single player. that would mean the arsenal fans now have to only worry about city and spurs.

by gregandtonic on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

Without bringing in new faces...

how about switch to 4-3-3 / 4-3-1-2 formation :)
with valencia + carrick/Jones + nani in the middle
plus C14 + Roo + Berb up front ? (or Roo be the AMC for 4-3-1-2)
just start thinking is 4-4-2 always fot for Man Utd….
Moreover, is Wesley Sneijder (Inter Milan) the best fit player for the current Man Utd ?

by Malonemuscle on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Don't really see this as a Fergie weakness...

Perhaps struggling a little to find that one guy that completes the puzzle in the middle but, you gotta give props to SAF for trying to find that missing piece in the squad he has. He knows January transfer window is the toughest since the quality, proven players are still in the champions league and and halfway through the season no team fighting for something will let go of their key assets. As far as this season goes, I have no doubt that SAF will find a way to pull through, as he has done time, and time again.

I still think there’s strengh and quality in the squad at hand though, but with all the injuries sustained SAF hasn’t had the time to put the team together. Think of it like this, if City lost Silva through injury, will they still be on top by the end of the season? Now on the United front, it is very admirable that they don’t have that kind of player, but still only 3 pts. away from leaders City.

-Honduran-Saul

by Saul-Honduran on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

The buying can wait till the end of the season imo...

then SAF can scout available and proven talents like Schneider, Modric, Gotze, etc. This players will not be sold by their teams this early on in the season

by Saul-Honduran on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

modric!!!!

Just kidding. Beckham? Seriously, the central midfielders cited above had varying games, The 2 most successful, Keane was a DM/thug like a Viera, and Scholes, while also a thug was slightly more creative. Fletcher, Carrick, and Cleverly, fill the defensive central midfielder role adequately. What ManU needs is creativity. The 2 best creative midfielders in the EPL now are Modric and Silva. This is the type of player ManU needs. Snejider is not that nor is DiRossi. I have just run a mental inventory of creative mfs in the EPL and there is no one for sale that fits the bill. Mata would have been a good choice but Chelsea swooped first. Cabaye was a great find for Newcastle, and could worth a closer. I don’t watch enough internationals to know what the talent is out there, but I don’t think its in the EPL.

Anyhow, ManU has looked crap the last couple times out. I think they are in trouble and could fall as far as 4th.

by chrism23 on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

Scholes re-sign for Man Utd

Beyond of our discussion here, apparently SAF found a jewell as scholes replacement in Scholessy of course..

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jan/paul-scholes-rejoins-united.aspx

by Pupus on Jan 8, 2012 4:32 AM PST reply actions  

hahaha...Love It!!!

Legendary scholes comes back for one last trophy.

by honduran-saul on Jan 8, 2012 4:34 AM PST up reply actions  

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